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Gear Stick Gaiter
Monday 16th February 2009
Is it easy to fit a replacement?
Mine is knackered.
Presume the centre bit of plastic needs removing. Baring in mind i have a fog light switch installed there as well as an LED for the alarm / Immobiliser.
Also will the mk3 gaiter from mx5parts fit a mk1?
Cheers
Dan
Mine is knackered.
Presume the centre bit of plastic needs removing. Baring in mind i have a fog light switch installed there as well as an LED for the alarm / Immobiliser.
Also will the mk3 gaiter from mx5parts fit a mk1?
Cheers
Dan
Monday 16th February 2009
Monday 16th February 2009
Not hard to do at all. Also worth changing the shifter gaiters beneath it too, almost certainly ripped or fallen apart on older cars. Helps stop heat, noise, dust etc coming up through the shifter turret.
Monday 16th February 2009
Mk3 gaitor is for a mk3, that's why it's called a mk3 gaitor. On a mk1 you need a mk1 gaitor
Monday 16th February 2009
Not hard to do at all. Also worth changing the shifter gaiters beneath it too, almost certainly ripped or fallen apart on older cars. Helps stop heat, noise, dust etc coming up through the shifter turret.
Good point. Replace both rubber boots along with the gaitor and top the gearbox turret up with oil (any oil will do, doesn't have to be gearbox oil). Tuesday 17th February 2009
Just be careful with the 3 bolts holding the lower (small) shifter boot/gaiter onto the shift turret, they're very soft and if you're not careful you'll shear them off like I did to one yesterday A cheapo shortshift kit fell apart on me (plastic bushing on the bottom of shifter disintegrated) so had to take things apart to reinstall the factory shifter, managed to rip the lower gaiter getting it off the shifter as well.
So if you're tempted by a cheap shortshift kit on ebay or the like..don't.
Edited by GravelBen on Tuesday 17th February 22:59
Wednesday 18th February 2009
Couldn't you just fit a new plastic bush? They sell them at MX5 parts..
Wednesday 18th February 2009
Couldn't you just fit a new plastic bush? They sell them at MX5 parts..
I guess I could, but not sure how long it would last if the failure was caused by extra pressure/friction from the shortshifter - that one only lasted a few months.Wednesday 18th February 2009
For the OP - theres a good guide to changing the gaiters here:
http://www.mx-5.com/me%20my%20mx-5/tips%20tricks/a..
http://www.mx-5.com/me%20my%20mx-5/tips%20tricks/a..
Friday 20th February 2009
Not hard to do at all. Also worth changing the shifter gaiters beneath it too, almost certainly ripped or fallen apart on older cars. Helps stop heat, noise, dust etc coming up through the shifter turret.
Good point. Replace both rubber boots along with the gaitor and top the gearbox turret up with oil (any oil will do, doesn't have to be gearbox oil). Do what? What is this oil for then? I presume it doesn't go in the g'box, but you've confused me..Friday 20th February 2009
The turret is a small square box on top of the gearbox which holds the shifter mechanism - once you take the lower shift gaiter off you can see into it.
It should be full of oil, but it may have leaked out over the years or if the gaiter is ripped it will be full of dust and crap. So suck it out with a pump/basting syringe or something and pour some clean stuff in - any oil will do as its not under pressure and not shared with the gearbox internals.
It should be full of oil, but it may have leaked out over the years or if the gaiter is ripped it will be full of dust and crap. So suck it out with a pump/basting syringe or something and pour some clean stuff in - any oil will do as its not under pressure and not shared with the gearbox internals.
Friday 20th February 2009
ordered a new one so shall let you know how i get on!!
Saturday 21st February 2009
So if you're tempted by a cheap shortshift kit on ebay or the like..don't.
Slight Hijack, but did you find that yours had terrible shift quality, and needed lots of force to get between gears? I've just bought a 1991 UK car, with an ebay shortshift fitted, and the shift is rubbish.. I fitted a new clutch yesterday (which was not helping - the release bearing came out in FIVE pieces!!!), but if anything the shift is even more obstructive now..I've just ordered a standard gear lever assembly from MX5 heaven - so hopefully that should make things work a little more smoothly..
Saturday 21st February 2009
Well i managed to change gaiter and gear knob!
Of course the lower rubber gaiter was damaged / knackered but i hadn't bought replacements but now i know its not a difficult to job to get to it all so i'll have to do it soon.
I started out with this:
I didn't like the gear knob - it was an aftermarket one and seemed very high up and the chrome was peeling off. The gaiter was riped and falling to pieces.
The gear knob confused me for a little while, the sleeve at the bottom unscrewed and then i needed a tiny little t10 screw driver to release the knob. Once the knob was off it left an annoying plastic sleeve that had obv been used to make the knob fit.
The centre console came off pretty easily, a little bit of trouble as the fog light switch is wired into it along with an LED for the alarm. This is what it looke dlike underneath
4 screws to remove the plastic bit that holds the gaiter in place.
The gaiter came prepunctured so just clip it onto the frame work and screw back on. Put it all back together and..
or
Of coruse now i don't like the handbrake - a bit too platicky. Have to see what i can do about that...
Of course the lower rubber gaiter was damaged / knackered but i hadn't bought replacements but now i know its not a difficult to job to get to it all so i'll have to do it soon.
I started out with this:
I didn't like the gear knob - it was an aftermarket one and seemed very high up and the chrome was peeling off. The gaiter was riped and falling to pieces.
The gear knob confused me for a little while, the sleeve at the bottom unscrewed and then i needed a tiny little t10 screw driver to release the knob. Once the knob was off it left an annoying plastic sleeve that had obv been used to make the knob fit.
The centre console came off pretty easily, a little bit of trouble as the fog light switch is wired into it along with an LED for the alarm. This is what it looke dlike underneath
4 screws to remove the plastic bit that holds the gaiter in place.
The gaiter came prepunctured so just clip it onto the frame work and screw back on. Put it all back together and..
or
Of coruse now i don't like the handbrake - a bit too platicky. Have to see what i can do about that...
Saturday 21st February 2009
Now you just need to replace that rubber boot and the lower boot (I can guarantee that it will be knackered too), top up with oil and you'll find the gear-change will feel better and the gear-stick won't get as hot.
Sunday 22nd February 2009
So if you're tempted by a cheap shortshift kit on ebay or the like..don't.
Slight Hijack, but did you find that yours had terrible shift quality, and needed lots of force to get between gears? I've just bought a 1991 UK car, with an ebay shortshift fitted, and the shift is rubbish.. I fitted a new clutch yesterday (which was not helping - the release bearing came out in FIVE pieces!!!), but if anything the shift is even more obstructive now..I've just ordered a standard gear lever assembly from MX5 heaven - so hopefully that should make things work a little more smoothly..Shift quality seemed fine, it did require a bit more force but thats to be expected with the changed lever effect on the shifter. Very tight, precise shift like a rifle bolt until it fell apart though - other than the quality of materials and engineering I was happy enough with it .
Sunday 22nd February 2009
That's a real shame - the rifle-bolt action gearshift is one of the delights of 5 ownership (or should be). Overhauling it a piece of cake though, as above. Can't see why you'd need a short-shifter anyway, the standard throw ain't exactly long.
Sunday 22nd February 2009
So if you're tempted by a cheap shortshift kit on ebay or the like..don't.
Slight Hijack, but did you find that yours had terrible shift quality, and needed lots of force to get between gears? I've just bought a 1991 UK car, with an ebay shortshift fitted, and the shift is rubbish.. I fitted a new clutch yesterday (which was not helping - the release bearing came out in FIVE pieces!!!), but if anything the shift is even more obstructive now..I've just ordered a standard gear lever assembly from MX5 heaven - so hopefully that should make things work a little more smoothly..Again, replacing the 2 rubber gaiters should help a little but it could probably do with an oil change. I find that using a good full synthetic (I use Redline) improves the gear-change.
Sunday 22nd February 2009
That's a real shame - the rifle-bolt action gearshift is one of the delights of 5 ownership (or should be). Overhauling it a piece of cake though, as above. Can't see why you'd need a short-shifter anyway, the standard throw ain't exactly long.
Agreed, my shortshift was cheap enough that I bought it for novelty value as much as anything to see how much shorter it could actually get.
Sunday 22nd February 2009
Again, replacing the 2 rubber gaiters should help a little but it could probably do with an oil change. I find that using a good full synthetic (I use Redline) improves the gear-change.
Redline for me too, but I changed mine at the same time I installed the shortshift so can't really tell how much difference was made by the new oil.Gassing Station Mazda MX5/Eunos/Miata Top of Page What's New My Stuff
Gearbox Issue -Help needed!
Friday 29th January 2010
Hi All,
We are having problems with my Mum's MK1 MX5 - the gearbox/gearchanges seem to be very stiff, especially in the cold. The gears just do not seem to slot into place easily.
Once everything is up to working temperature, it seems fine. This is happening is all gears not just 1st and reverse (signs of a worn clutch), which leads me to think its something to do with linkage or Oil?
Has anyone every experienced this or can help solve the issue?
Thanks!
We are having problems with my Mum's MK1 MX5 - the gearbox/gearchanges seem to be very stiff, especially in the cold. The gears just do not seem to slot into place easily.
Once everything is up to working temperature, it seems fine. This is happening is all gears not just 1st and reverse (signs of a worn clutch), which leads me to think its something to do with linkage or Oil?
Has anyone every experienced this or can help solve the issue?
Thanks!
Friday 29th January 2010
Changeing gearbox oil helped on 3,4,5th changes
Changing rubber bushes on actual gear lever helped a lot, common issue
Changing rubber bushes on actual gear lever helped a lot, common issue
Friday 29th January 2010
+1 Common issue, if the gear change gets all tight then it's a case of cahnging the shifter boots and changing the oil whilst you are at it. Lots of guides on this one and the shifter boot kit is about £40 from mx5 parts.
John
John
Friday 29th January 2010
Thanks for your help!
It should be getting done on Monday.
It should be getting done on Monday.
Friday 29th January 2010
Shifter boots thats what I meant there are a few guides to the job online!! 1st to 2nd being notchy is usually the result of this!! Plus as you change the boots from inside the cabin you dont need to roll around on the floor swearing a lot!
Gearbox oil is easy if you have a proper lift and hydraulic pump device. I decided to do it on un equal axle stands with a turkey baster... Got the oil in the box in the end but it took hours of hand pumping away and lots of wasted oil on my garage floor!!
Gearbox oil is easy if you have a proper lift and hydraulic pump device. I decided to do it on un equal axle stands with a turkey baster... Got the oil in the box in the end but it took hours of hand pumping away and lots of wasted oil on my garage floor!!
Friday 29th January 2010
Friday 29th January 2010
That's handy to know folks.
Mine seems to be having the same issue as the OP.
Will have a look into it.
Cheers
Mine seems to be having the same issue as the OP.
Will have a look into it.
Cheers
Friday 29th January 2010
has anyone tried replacing the whole gear lever? i notice mine has a notch worn into the ball part from years of use, but i'm reluctant to give mx5parts £60 or go down the scrappy if it makes little or no difference
Friday 29th January 2010
There should be a nylon cup on the ball. Is that missing?
Monday 1st February 2010
nylon cup was still there - though i replaced it with the included mx5parts parts one while i was replacing the gaiters
i meant the bigger pivoting ball further up - mine had some scoring on it. that said, thinking about it, when the box has been hot the shift action has been great so maybe i'll give MT90 a go before considering replacing the box
i meant the bigger pivoting ball further up - mine had some scoring on it. that said, thinking about it, when the box has been hot the shift action has been great so maybe i'll give MT90 a go before considering replacing the box
Tuesday 2nd February 2010
Shifter boots thats what I meant there are a few guides to the job online!! 1st to 2nd being notchy is usually the result of this!! Plus as you change the boots from inside the cabin you dont need to roll around on the floor swearing a lot!
Gearbox oil is easy if you have a proper lift and hydraulic pump device. I decided to do it on un equal axle stands with a turkey baster... Got the oil in the box in the end but it took hours of hand pumping away and lots of wasted oil on my garage floor!!
I had similar problems changing my gearbox oil, ended up swallowing a load of it too.Gearbox oil is easy if you have a proper lift and hydraulic pump device. I decided to do it on un equal axle stands with a turkey baster... Got the oil in the box in the end but it took hours of hand pumping away and lots of wasted oil on my garage floor!!
In the end i bought a a long piece of clear pipe and threading it down through the engine bay into the gearbox filler. It is an easy job just a pain if you dont know what your doing, i must have wasted a good litre of oil doing it.
Tuesday 2nd February 2010
Without wishing to single out anyone person..
I keep seeing this on the Net and its complete BS.
How the hell can the rubber boots that only serve to:
1) keep air/ heat/ noise out the cabin
2) keep dirt / water out of the turret
Have ANY effect on shift quality ?
Answer - they DON'T.
What everyone does is top up the turret when changing them which may have an effect (as may changing the nylon bushes).
If you only change the rubber boots then any effect you feel is 100% placebo.
The biggest change is switching to a good synthetic oil in the box.
I keep seeing this on the Net and its complete BS.
How the hell can the rubber boots that only serve to:
1) keep air/ heat/ noise out the cabin
2) keep dirt / water out of the turret
Have ANY effect on shift quality ?
Answer - they DON'T.
What everyone does is top up the turret when changing them which may have an effect (as may changing the nylon bushes).
If you only change the rubber boots then any effect you feel is 100% placebo.
The biggest change is switching to a good synthetic oil in the box.
Tuesday 2nd February 2010
i assumed that what people meant by 'changing shifter boots' - sucking out and replacing the old, burnt sludge in the turret and replacing with new. i only even found it was a service thing from the hugely excessive heat coming through the gear gaiter
i hear on similar g'box shift designs people fill the turret with grease, my mate looked quite surprised (perhaps even amused) when i told him i'd filled the turret with gearbox oil
i hear on similar g'box shift designs people fill the turret with grease, my mate looked quite surprised (perhaps even amused) when i told him i'd filled the turret with gearbox oil
Tuesday 2nd February 2010
You can put any oil you want in there - even veggie oil if you like.
Tuesday 2nd February 2010
i just wondered if it would smooth the shift action if something thick like grease was put in there. obviously, if it solidified or something you'd be pretty buggered trying to suck it out with a turkey baster
Tuesday 2nd February 2010
No.
TBH it rarely makes much difference whats in there. The turret is a simple mechanism, the quality of the shift is down to the gearbox which is separate from the turret.
TBH it rarely makes much difference whats in there. The turret is a simple mechanism, the quality of the shift is down to the gearbox which is separate from the turret.
Wednesday 3rd February 2010
Check clutch fluid level - the reservoir is to the top left of the engine bay as you look towards it. If (as was the case with my '5) the slave cylinder fails / is failing, then the gear change quality will reduce..
Wednesday 3rd February 2010
Without wishing to single out anyone person..
I keep seeing this on the Net and its complete BS.
How the hell can the rubber boots that only serve to:
1) keep air/ heat/ noise out the cabin
2) keep dirt / water out of the turret
Have ANY effect on shift quality ?
Answer - they DON'T.
What everyone does is top up the turret when changing them which may have an effect (as may changing the nylon bushes).
If you only change the rubber boots then any effect you feel is 100% placebo.
The biggest change is switching to a good synthetic oil in the box.
i would actually think that the main job of the booties (lower one anyway) is to keep the turret oil in.I keep seeing this on the Net and its complete BS.
How the hell can the rubber boots that only serve to:
1) keep air/ heat/ noise out the cabin
2) keep dirt / water out of the turret
Have ANY effect on shift quality ?
Answer - they DON'T.
What everyone does is top up the turret when changing them which may have an effect (as may changing the nylon bushes).
If you only change the rubber boots then any effect you feel is 100% placebo.
The biggest change is switching to a good synthetic oil in the box.
however, in this case, i'd agree that the issue is probably gear oil - get a decent synthetic in there
Wednesday 3rd February 2010
I keep seeing this on the Net and its complete BS.
How the hell can the rubber boots that only serve to:
1) keep air/ heat/ noise out the cabin
2) keep dirt / water out of the turret
Have ANY effect on shift quality ?
Answer - they DON'T.
What everyone does is top up the turret when changing them which may have an effect (as may changing the nylon bushes).
If you only change the rubber boots then any effect you feel is 100% placebo.
Nope I can't agree with you on that. My shift boots were both worn and indeed the top one was split - replacing them made the shift action less notchy because of course they exert some pressure against the gear lever as you shift. So from my point of view, this does help.How the hell can the rubber boots that only serve to:
1) keep air/ heat/ noise out the cabin
2) keep dirt / water out of the turret
Have ANY effect on shift quality ?
Answer - they DON'T.
What everyone does is top up the turret when changing them which may have an effect (as may changing the nylon bushes).
If you only change the rubber boots then any effect you feel is 100% placebo.
Quality of oil in the box is of course going to make the most difference but to say changing your old shift boots has no effect is, in my humble opinion, incorrect.
Wednesday 3rd February 2010
I keep seeing this on the Net and its complete BS.
How the hell can the rubber boots that only serve to:
1) keep air/ heat/ noise out the cabin
2) keep dirt / water out of the turret
Have ANY effect on shift quality ?
Answer - they DON'T.
What everyone does is top up the turret when changing them which may have an effect (as may changing the nylon bushes).
If you only change the rubber boots then any effect you feel is 100% placebo.
Nope I can't agree with you on that. My shift boots were both worn and indeed the top one was split - replacing them made the shift action less notchy because of course they exert some pressure against the gear lever as you shift. So from my point of view, this does help.How the hell can the rubber boots that only serve to:
1) keep air/ heat/ noise out the cabin
2) keep dirt / water out of the turret
Have ANY effect on shift quality ?
Answer - they DON'T.
What everyone does is top up the turret when changing them which may have an effect (as may changing the nylon bushes).
If you only change the rubber boots then any effect you feel is 100% placebo.
Quality of oil in the box is of course going to make the most difference but to say changing your old shift boots has no effect is, in my humble opinion, incorrect.So you're saying that the pressure needed to move a flexible piece of rubber (ie bugger all) via a heavy metal lever can be felt by you ?
And you think adding an insignificant pressure, reduces notchyness in the gearbox.
I have some snake oil I'm selling, it will cure everything and anything including cancer and gearboxes - want to buy some ?
Edited by OnlyMX5ives on Wednesday 3rd February 12:31
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